Re: [-empyre-] real net art

[voyd <voyd@voyd.com>]

> But there are also people who were working in 
interactive, computer 
> forms before HTML... coding by hand or using tools 
such as HyperCard... 
> which made things easier than coding things by 
hand... 

Yes, I was hacking interactive installations in 
CorelShow in 1989.  I mean slide shows with minimal 
amination, interactivity, and sound.  5 years before 
the Web, and my collaborators and I were salivating 
at CD-ROMs.  Really quite interesting when taken in 
context.

> Anarchist Manifesto" that states "tools are not 
talent"...
> It's not the tool or the medium that makes the 
work but the artist... 
Bravo.

> for me the new tools often just delay me making 
the work... 

Me too. I feel liek I 'need to knwo this, that or 
the other thing, or 'need' to use a given tech.  
Consider Postman's sense of Technolopy; to me this 
in a way is how technology immobilizes us.

hmmm... if I 
> learn how to do this I can make something really 
interesting, but you 
> spend more time playing with fonts and colours 
than really working.

Yep, and the other end is the idea that if you 
haven't spent 750 hours on your original code, you 
somehow haven't imbued wnough 'craft' in your work.  
SOme of my best work came from one-liners.

> the quality of the interaction and words--the 
content--that was amazing 
> and almost 10 years ago... the same experience 
could be recreated easily 
> now with many tools... even with people using cell 
phones.

I like thsi a great deal - why don't you do it?
 
> Right now it seems like Flash is where a lot of 
interesting stuff is 
> happening, but who knows what tools we'll be using 
or which tools we'll 
> invent or which media we'll warp to suit our ideas.

I find it highly ironic that the purists tout JAVA 
as teh way to go, but with Microsoft's announcement 
that Java will not be supported in the next Windows 
release, it might be that Flash might be the most 
universal chunk of code out there.  In addition, 
because of MX's entensibility, the coding snobs 
might be a little more amenable to the new rigor in 
the authoring environment.  I erealize that the 
issue of being able to do Java without an additional 
app is nto resolved, though.

 toys are fun, but art lasts longer.

Bravo!